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Tar Heel
Member Jun 30th 8:29 AM
When the camera panned the faces of the fans, I thought they were going to cry when Rocker struck out their boy & pitched a scoreless 8th. The only way it could've been better would've been if it had been the 9th.

(Am I getting a little strident?):-)

SpicyBeef
Member Jul 1st 11:44 PM
Well Flash, it's easy to defend Rocker.

You're a darned commie practically to trash him. Who are YOU to censor what he thinks and says? Yes he's a redneck and not very sensitive to people with "alternative lifestyles".. but..

1. His comments were in a CAR made in PRIVATE (foolishly) to a reporter. The reporter then blew them across the nation--stabbing him in the back really.

2. It is HIS RIGHT to think and say that if he wishes. Anyone who wants to jail him or fire him or whatnot because of what he said in PRIVATE is part of the friggin' thought police!

3. He is a PITCHER. It's not like the Secretary of State made an announcement at the White House or something.

Rocker's personality may be abrasive, but to attack him for that and say you are a "sick human being" is just to flaunt your own ignoranance. I defend Rocker because I believe in the First Amendment to our Constitution.

Unfortunately, too many people--including the Braves--don't apparently.

SpicyBeef
La Cosa Nostra

GunzTHC
Member Jul 1st 11:46 PM
SpicyBeef must be a Brave fan, Red Sox fan, or Canadien.... you can just tell

SpicyBeef
Member Jul 1st 11:50 PM
Nope...none...hehe.. :)

I dislike baseball entirely, actually. I'm a hockey fan... and I'm American.

I'm just sick of people attacking Rocker (and Dr. Laura for that matter) without even trying to exercise their partially functional brains.

SpicyBeef
La Cosa Nostra

Diablo SGN
Member Jul 1st 11:55 PM
er...i dont think that was directed at me...but...
i really dont care what rocker thinks believes or says

im not attacking him for it

im just defending the city i live in...the greatest city in the world

NYC=)

GunzTHC
Member Jul 1st 11:56 PM
Hockey's cool.... my Devils won!!!! But since we're on the topic of baseball, we all know the Yankees will come back and win the World Series again. Its just destiny, the Yankees will beat the damn Canadiens and the both the Sox of course.

Diablo SGN
Member Jul 1st 11:58 PM
er....i love ppl that say the yanks suck...
3 outta the last 4 world championships
**sarcasm on** Yeah they suck ** sarcasm off**

SpicyBeef
Member Jul 1st 11:59 PM
Nah Diablo, that wasn't really at you. It wasn't meant to be so personal on your post either Flash.. (although your post typified the type of argument I hate: senseless :)

The reason I dislike baseball btw is the strike in '94. Players union was holding out for higher salary caps or something? I was a tender young 12 year old at the time.. And the money grubbing was a huge turnoff. I took up hockey at that point. ;)

SpicyBeef

Diablo SGN
Member Jul 2nd 12:02 AM
lol...
That pissed me off too
I couldnt stand it
i was a big baseball fan...no longer
now im more of a basketball fan which is amazing coz they just had their lockout two seasons ago
luckily it didnt piss me off too much

vertigo
Member Jul 2nd 1:31 AM
TOOOO

THHHHHEEEE

TOOOOOOP

addendum
Member Jul 2nd 7:13 AM
I hope all of you know that the Bosox will not win it this year, mainly because they were on the cover of Sports Illustrated's baseball preview issue.

However from the looks of it Yanks aren't going to win it either. Too many starters hurt or too old.

AmonRa
Member Jul 2nd 7:18 AM
They've won enough tiles as it is. They beat ATL 4-0 (Me being from ATL)

I'm going for the ChiSox.

Ravioli
New Member 0th 12:00 AM
Well I`m from NYC. The Bronx to be exact. Most of the city is not a dump. I`ll be happy to show any of you million dollar homes in the "non downtown" areas some of you think are a dump. I`ll also show you dozens of middle and upper middle class neighborhoods that most of you will never be able to afford to live in if you wanted. We are the safest large city in America. Every now and then something bad happens and it gets blown up all over every news channel in America. We have 8 million people here. That`s more than entire sections of the country. Millions of people ride our subways every day and nothing happens to them.

Yes we do have some areas that you might not feel comfortable in since they are basically all minority. Some are not the safest places to be and should be avoided. Others are probably safer than where you live. And it should be noted that we don`t have "white trash" in NYC. I`ve been around most of this country and many places cannot say the same thing.

Personally I think Rocker had every right to say what he did since last time I checked this still is America. I`ve seen some of the things he said and other things he said I have never seen. He probably should have just kept his mouth shut since this is now P.C. America.

Go Yankees!!!! Screw the Mets!!!!

Flash
Member Jul 2nd 2:06 PM
I never challenged Rocker's legal right to say these things. Of course he can express his beliefs, just as the whole nation has expressed thier disguest with his comments.

But Rocker has to be the stupidest SOB ever to say those things in public, and to continue talking and not know when to keep his mouth shot. Not only has it ruined his reputation but it has also interfered with his pitching ability. I think if he had to do it all over again he would never have said any of this. Rocker is a role model for kids and should never say something like that, but agian he's an idiot so what can we expect.

And I do believe that anybody who defends him and agrees with his statements is a sick and prejudiced human being.

Flash
Member Jul 2nd 2:06 PM
And the Mets are getting thier *sses kicked again. Good thing I'm a Yankee fan and Clemens is pitching a fine game, GO YANKS!!!

SpicyBeef
Member Jul 2nd 2:10 PM
I don't agree with his statements. In that distinction, you are correct.

Rocker didn't say that in public though.. I believe it was in private in a taxi cab? Correct? That's the first point.

My other peeve is that people are trying to CENSOR him, not just disagree with him. The Braves demoted him because of "poor pitching". Yeah, right. He was struggling, but I don't fully buy that. They also forced him through "sensativity training"? What kind of BS is that? They're trying to reprogram him?

SpicyBeef
La Cosa Nostra

Viper220
Member Jul 2nd 3:57 PM
Hey SpicyBeef, you said:

1. His comments were in a CAR made in PRIVATE (foolishly) to a reporter. The reporter then blew them across the nation--stabbing him in the back really. "

NO KIDDING. IT WAS AN INTERVIEW!!! That's the friggen point to tell people about it!! Don't give me that stabbing in the back nonsense, that's the reporter's JOB.

grelk
Member Jul 2nd 6:46 PM
*nod*
Spicybeef, your arguement is rather scuttled by the whole fact that the discussion was an interview with a reporter for SI. normally in interviews what you say is printed. so you're basically whining about nothing.

Rocker has the right to say what he wants, just as we have the right to be total asses in return.

grelk

SpicyBeef
Member Jul 2nd 7:29 PM
It WAS an actual interview? Well, that changes that part of my point..yes. I never said he was a bright one to be telling a reporter that...hehe..

I seriously doubt he intended for it to be published though. Perhaps, technically, that is the reporter's perrogative.

That changes nothing on my other points though. Yeah grelk, you can be an @$$ if you'd like.. :) But no one has the right to attempt to hound and persecute him for what he says.

SpicyBeef
La Cosa Nostra

Tar Heel
Member Jul 2nd 7:44 PM
Spicy: It was in Rocker's SUV, and that's a good point, since the only thing that Rocker said that would otherwise merit an apology was his comment that Asian women can't drive, and that's mitigated by the fact that it was inspired by a woman (who Rocker mistook for an Asian woman) who had just cut him off.

Further, the Braves demoted Rocker for his poor pitching. I saw him pitch 2 days before he was sent down, and it was justified.

What ticks me off is Selig suspending him, requiring him to undergo a psychiatric evaluation(!), and so many people falling into line condemning him, afraid rhat their peers will like them less if they don't hate what they're supposed to hate.

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Tar Heel Member	Jun 30th 8:29 AM When the camera panned the faces of the fans, I thought they were going to cry when Rocker struck out their boy & pitched a scoreless 8th. The only way it could've been better would've been if it had been the 9th. (Am I getting a little strident?):-)
SpicyBeef Member	Jul 1st 11:44 PM Well Flash, it's easy to defend Rocker. You're a darned commie practically to trash him. Who are YOU to censor what he thinks and says? Yes he's a redneck and not very sensitive to people with "alternative lifestyles".. but.. 1. His comments were in a CAR made in PRIVATE (foolishly) to a reporter. The reporter then blew them across the nation--stabbing him in the back really. 2. It is HIS RIGHT to think and say that if he wishes. Anyone who wants to jail him or fire him or whatnot because of what he said in PRIVATE is part of the friggin' thought police! 3. He is a PITCHER. It's not like the Secretary of State made an announcement at the White House or something. Rocker's personality may be abrasive, but to attack him for that and say you are a "sick human being" is just to flaunt your own ignoranance. I defend Rocker because I believe in the First Amendment to our Constitution. Unfortunately, too many people--including the Braves--don't apparently. SpicyBeef La Cosa Nostra
GunzTHC Member	Jul 1st 11:46 PM SpicyBeef must be a Brave fan, Red Sox fan, or Canadien.... you can just tell
SpicyBeef Member	Jul 1st 11:50 PM Nope...none...hehe.. :) I dislike baseball entirely, actually. I'm a hockey fan... and I'm American. I'm just sick of people attacking Rocker (and Dr. Laura for that matter) without even trying to exercise their partially functional brains. SpicyBeef La Cosa Nostra
Diablo SGN Member	Jul 1st 11:55 PM er...i dont think that was directed at me...but... i really dont care what rocker thinks believes or says im not attacking him for it im just defending the city i live in...the greatest city in the world NYC=)
GunzTHC Member	Jul 1st 11:56 PM Hockey's cool.... my Devils won!!!! But since we're on the topic of baseball, we all know the Yankees will come back and win the World Series again. Its just destiny, the Yankees will beat the damn Canadiens and the both the Sox of course.
Diablo SGN Member	Jul 1st 11:58 PM er....i love ppl that say the yanks suck... 3 outta the last 4 world championships sarcasm on Yeah they suck sarcasm off
SpicyBeef Member	Jul 1st 11:59 PM Nah Diablo, that wasn't really at you. It wasn't meant to be so personal on your post either Flash.. (although your post typified the type of argument I hate: senseless :) The reason I dislike baseball btw is the strike in '94. Players union was holding out for higher salary caps or something? I was a tender young 12 year old at the time.. And the money grubbing was a huge turnoff. I took up hockey at that point. ;) SpicyBeef
Diablo SGN Member	Jul 2nd 12:02 AM lol... That pissed me off too I couldnt stand it i was a big baseball fan...no longer now im more of a basketball fan which is amazing coz they just had their lockout two seasons ago luckily it didnt piss me off too much
vertigo Member	Jul 2nd 1:31 AM TOOOO THHHHHEEEE TOOOOOOP
addendum Member	Jul 2nd 7:13 AM I hope all of you know that the Bosox will not win it this year, mainly because they were on the cover of Sports Illustrated's baseball preview issue. However from the looks of it Yanks aren't going to win it either. Too many starters hurt or too old.
AmonRa Member	Jul 2nd 7:18 AM They've won enough tiles as it is. They beat ATL 4-0 (Me being from ATL) I'm going for the ChiSox.
Ravioli New Member	0th 12:00 AM Well I`m from NYC. The Bronx to be exact. Most of the city is not a dump. I`ll be happy to show any of you million dollar homes in the "non downtown" areas some of you think are a dump. I`ll also show you dozens of middle and upper middle class neighborhoods that most of you will never be able to afford to live in if you wanted. We are the safest large city in America. Every now and then something bad happens and it gets blown up all over every news channel in America. We have 8 million people here. That`s more than entire sections of the country. Millions of people ride our subways every day and nothing happens to them. Yes we do have some areas that you might not feel comfortable in since they are basically all minority. Some are not the safest places to be and should be avoided. Others are probably safer than where you live. And it should be noted that we don`t have "white trash" in NYC. I`ve been around most of this country and many places cannot say the same thing. Personally I think Rocker had every right to say what he did since last time I checked this still is America. I`ve seen some of the things he said and other things he said I have never seen. He probably should have just kept his mouth shut since this is now P.C. America. Go Yankees!!!! Screw the Mets!!!!
Flash Member	Jul 2nd 2:06 PM I never challenged Rocker's legal right to say these things. Of course he can express his beliefs, just as the whole nation has expressed thier disguest with his comments. But Rocker has to be the stupidest SOB ever to say those things in public, and to continue talking and not know when to keep his mouth shot. Not only has it ruined his reputation but it has also interfered with his pitching ability. I think if he had to do it all over again he would never have said any of this. Rocker is a role model for kids and should never say something like that, but agian he's an idiot so what can we expect. And I do believe that anybody who defends him and agrees with his statements is a sick and prejudiced human being.
Flash Member	Jul 2nd 2:06 PM *And the Mets are getting thier sses kicked again. Good thing I'm a Yankee fan and Clemens is pitching a fine game, GO YANKS!!!**
SpicyBeef Member	Jul 2nd 2:10 PM I don't agree with his statements. In that distinction, you are correct. Rocker didn't say that in public though.. I believe it was in private in a taxi cab? Correct? That's the first point. My other peeve is that people are trying to CENSOR him, not just disagree with him. The Braves demoted him because of "poor pitching". Yeah, right. He was struggling, but I don't fully buy that. They also forced him through "sensativity training"? What kind of BS is that? They're trying to reprogram him? SpicyBeef La Cosa Nostra
Viper220 Member	Jul 2nd 3:57 PM Hey SpicyBeef, you said: 1. His comments were in a CAR made in PRIVATE (foolishly) to a reporter. The reporter then blew them across the nation--stabbing him in the back really. " NO KIDDING. IT WAS AN INTERVIEW!!! That's the friggen point to tell people about it!! Don't give me that stabbing in the back nonsense, that's the reporter's JOB.
grelk Member	Jul 2nd 6:46 PM nod Spicybeef, your arguement is rather scuttled by the whole fact that the discussion was an interview with a reporter for SI. normally in interviews what you say is printed. so you're basically whining about nothing. Rocker has the right to say what he wants, just as we have the right to be total asses in return. grelk
SpicyBeef Member	Jul 2nd 7:29 PM It WAS an actual interview? Well, that changes that part of my point..yes. I never said he was a bright one to be telling a reporter that...hehe.. I seriously doubt he intended for it to be published though. Perhaps, technically, that is the reporter's perrogative. That changes nothing on my other points though. Yeah grelk, you can be an @$$ if you'd like.. :) But no one has the right to attempt to hound and persecute him for what he says. SpicyBeef La Cosa Nostra
Tar Heel Member	Jul 2nd 7:44 PM Spicy: It was in Rocker's SUV, and that's a good point, since the only thing that Rocker said that would otherwise merit an apology was his comment that Asian women can't drive, and that's mitigated by the fact that it was inspired by a woman (who Rocker mistook for an Asian woman) who had just cut him off. Further, the Braves demoted Rocker for his poor pitching. I saw him pitch 2 days before he was sent down, and it was justified. What ticks me off is Selig suspending him, requiring him to undergo a psychiatric evaluation(!), and so many people falling into line condemning him, afraid rhat their peers will like them less if they don't hate what they're supposed to hate.